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0:37:08.0 S3: Well, because I was like... Look, reading this letter and I was like, "I'm not sure if I'm gonna come on and be the one who's like, 'If you weren't raised as siblings, I just don't think it matters.'"


0:37:17.0 S2: No, I'm with you.


0:37:18.5 S3: Or if all three of you were gonna be like, "What the fuck's wrong with you?" So I Googled it just for...


0:37:22.9 S2: What the fuck is wrong with you?




0:37:26.0 S3: But apparently, in the case of first cousins, I think they... I don't... The statistic did not deal with siblings, 'cause I think there are very many, fewer sibling couples that admit that they're siblings or whatever. But apparently the increase in any kind of genetic issues is under 4%.


0:37:45.5 S5: We have royal families all over the world that are...


0:37:48.3 S2: That is true.


0:37:50.7 S5: Very, very closely...


0:37:50.7 S2: I think there's a difference between first cousins and people who are genetically your siblings.


0:37:55.6 S4: But I think it only comes up when we think about them procreating and having children together and that these children will have...


0:38:03.1 S2: No, and maybe it's 'cause I just watched Crimson Peak last night, by the way, excellent movie. I love it to death. But spoiler alert...


0:38:10.4 S5: You and everyone else, apparently. I said you and everyone else.


0:38:15.0 S2: Spoiler alert, that is one of the big twists at the end. So yeah...


0:38:21.0 S?: But what happens in the case of...


0:38:21.1 S2: For me... I also have to say, I love how we have gone from this weird-ass wedding in China to debating whether or not brothers and sisters could get together.




0:38:35.4 S3: It goes... I'm with Rowan in that when I read it, before I got to the part of the article that said, "And it was revealed that her son was also adopted." My first thought was, "Okay, we have the reveal of she has two children who are about to get married. What do you do in that case if they are related? Do you call off the wedding then and there when these people are so in love and they've only ever known each other as romantic partners?" Because that's for me... And I know that's not the case. I know we're playing a what if kind of situation, but that was where my mind went was, "What if they were related? Were they still gonna get married? Was everybody gonna be okay with it?"


0:39:23.2 S5: Then you're talking about legality, because in a lot of places it's illegal. So was there someone there to verify that they weren't actual... You know what I mean?


0:39:32.7 S4: That's true.


0:39:32.9 S5: Like how long was this wedding? Did it go on all week? What's the, did they have to get blood tests? What... This was... Yeah. And then also a societal thing.


0:39:42.7 S3: And I was like, "Is this a Babysitter's Club super special where they're like at this eagle lodge for a whole weekend, long enough [0:39:50.7] ____?"


0:39:52.5 S5: But yeah.


0:39:52.6 S1: Like...


0:39:55.0 S2: Oh my goodness.


0:39:56.4 S5: Wow.


0:39:56.7 S4: But they're not related, so... [laughter]


0:40:00.2 S5: It's also societal. Are you in a conservative society where any sort of hint of something like that... It's like, "No! This must... " Obviously not, because everyone there accepted that this was a thing, that it was gonna happen apparently, and it happened.


0:40:12.0 S2: Oh my goodness.


0:40:13.3 S2: You know what, this went a place that I think was unexpected [laughter], which is always fun, and we're actually recording in the morning for once, folks. Usually, we do this in the late afternoon, so we're most assuredly... Well, I can say I am most assuredly sober. So... [laughter]


0:40:32.6 S4: Don't speak for the crew, Avery.


0:40:34.3 S5: Let me put my flask away.


0:40:34.6 S2: Alright, yeah, yeah, it was a double espresso. Yeah, I'm right here.


0:40:39.2 S5: Before we get off of this topic though, though I have to say, you mentioned 23 and Me. I don't know if you remember when they first started running ads, they brought in a group of people from different parts of Europe and had them take the test, and there's two things: One guy who was British, who was like, insisted he was 100% English, and then it turned out...


0:40:56.2 S2: Oh my god.


0:40:56.7 S5: He had something else going on and he was so upset.


0:41:00.3 S2: Oh yeah. [laughter]


0:41:00.7 S5: He was so upset! But then there was also... There were cousins that met through the DNA test that they didn't... One was in Israel or something, and one was in South Africa or something like that, and they were like, "Oh my gosh". They were related, and they met...


0:41:11.1 S2: Which is cool.


0:41:12.1 S5: Yeah, it was really cool.


0:41:13.7 S2: Yeah, it was really interesting. I did it. Not surprisingly, 99% Scottish, Irish, and English. So yeah, pasty are my people, so... [laughter] Yeah, not a surprise. And my husband, whose family pretty much is 100% Irish on one side and 100% Italian on the other side... Oh my goodness, his mix was a lot varied, which is not surprising because Italians and your trade routes and all of that... Everything. So that was really interesting. So his was very much mixed, and then I had an uncle who insisted he was 100% Irish and... Heartbroken is the end of that story. [laughter] It's fun, and now if I have a relative who's a serial killer, they will get caught that way, so I'm okay with that...


0:42:14.5 S4: Yes! That's a whole other conversation that I would be more than willing to have with anybody...


0:42:19.7 S3: We'll have to have it...


0:42:20.7 S5: Exactly.


0:42:21.1 S2: What is the name of the book? What is the name of the book that Patton Oswalt's wife did? I'll Be There In The Dark? I'll Be...


0:42:28.5 S2: What is it?


0:42:29.3 S4: Because they did a documentary special that was the same...


0:42:32.5 S2: Oh wait, Rowan, you're muted. I didn't hear what you said, sorry.


0:42:37.3 S2: I'll Be There In..., I'll Be Gone In The Dark. Is that what it is? That book is phenomenal, number one. And the documentary was really good too, that they did on HBO that. Yeah, that's how they caught him.


0:42:48.5 S3: I am super interested in what I'm kind of thinking of as the biological side of this conversation and the cultural side of this conversation, just to compartmentalize a little, because the talking about the 23andMe, all those DNA tests, what seems super interesting to me is the way that family members, even if it's distant cousins or close cousins or whatever it is, they find out that they have this shared genetic material and suddenly they're like, "I found a new member of my family and that's meaningful", right? So it's like all that is required for meaning to be made is this genetic connection, even if you've never met. And then there's... On the other side, there's like, what does it means to be close with someone. It means shared experience, it means being raised in certain roles in relationship to one another, etcetera. And these seem opposed in some way, but I feel like most of us have some kind of combination of both. We might... I definitely believe that culture is far more important than biology...


0:43:49.3 S4: I do too.


0:43:50.1 S5: Yeah.


0:43:50.4 S3: If I were to find out that I had a random cousin and it was a human being I'd never met, I wouldn't care at all. I wouldn't assume that that person was in any way similar to me or connected to me just because we share DNA, but I can't... But I do know that if I were to take one of those DNA tests and find that I had a sibling, I would be really curious because it fits somewhere in between, I guess?


0:44:16.3 S2: Yeah.


0:44:16.3 S3: I'm kind of like, they... There's no necessity that they would be similar or interesting to me, but they could be because my sister is my best friend socially and I know that we have these things that are really similar. So I feel like most of us are somewhere in between, but it is interesting to talk about both sides, like you can believe both.


0:44:37.0 S2: But they can also... I lean towards the cultural as well, but then you'll see... National Geographic several years ago, had a whole cover story on twins that were separated.


0:44:47.8 S5: I was just gonna talk about that, yeah.


0:44:49.6 S2: And then there's a documentary that's saved on my HULU, that I still haven't watched, about triplets that were separated.


0:44:54.6 S5: Yeah.


0:44:54.7 S2: And the similarities between what they do, what they wear...


0:45:00.7 S5: One of the twins...


0:45:01.3 S2: How they act, even being raised in different countries...


0:45:05.1 S5: Different places! One of the twins, they were brothers, they met at some random place, they were just walk... And they were wearing the same clothes, and there were... It was like that Spider-Man GIF where they're pointing at each other.


0:45:15.7 S2: Yeah. [laughter]


0:45:16.1 S5: And they ended up doing a documentary on them and stuff. Yeah, that's... It's... Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing...


0:45:22.1 S2: I think it's fascinating.


0:45:23.4 S5: It is.


0:45:24.5 S2: And I think probably there's the truth of things in a lot of stuff is somewhere in the middle, you know? But it's just fascinating, I love that stuff.


0:45:35.0 S3: [0:45:35.0] ____ the documentary 'cause I wanna watch it.


0:45:37.2 S4: Oh, Three Identical Strangers...


0:45:39.5 S2: I'll find it, and I'll bring it up during our recommendation section. I'll find it on my Hulu real quick, 'cause I...


0:45:47.4 S4: Three Identical Strangers. [laughter]


0:45:48.9 S5: Three Identical Strangers?


0:45:50.5 S2: Is that what it's called?


0:45:52.4 S4: The one about the triplets who are adopted into different families?


0:45:56.9 S2: Yes, thank you!


0:45:57.0 S3: Kelly's got us. Kelly's got us.


0:45:57.9 S4: I watch a lot of documentaries and true crime.


0:46:01.3 S2: Oh god, murder shows, they're my happy place.


0:46:04.6 S4: It balances out all the romance reading I do.


0:46:08.4 S3: I also... People think that people who write and read romance are not interested in things like true gruesome serial killer...


0:46:19.3 S4: Ridiculous. [laughter]




0:46:21.7 S2: Wait, you know what... My theory on that is that it's about control... Right? With romance, when you... Romance's one guarantee is a happily-ever-after or a happy-for-now. Right? So you are in a controlled environment...


0:46:35.9 S2: Yeah.


0:46:36.3 S2: And you feel safe. And I think with True Crime or that type of thing, again, for the most part, when they get to actually doing the documentaries about stuff, it's solved. So again, you're seeing the scariest thing that could happen and you're... And you're seeing it to the end where hopefully somebody gets captured, so that's my theory on it.


0:47:02.3 S?: I think that's super...


0:47:03.5 S2: And maybe that's just me. [laughter]


0:47:05.0 S4: No, that's a great... I actually listened to a podcast that was all about 'why are we so attracted to stories about serial killers'? And that was one of the main points, was that we watch these stories as a way to... First of all, understand how people's minds work or try to understand...


0:47:26.8 S?: Yeah.


0:47:26.8 S4: But also to think, 'Okay, if I can understand how this happened to someone, I can avoid it happening to me'.


0:47:33.5 S5: Look for the signs in someone...


0:47:35.9 S4: Yes, exactly, and so I know for me, that's what I find fascinating about it. I'm like, "Oh my God, that could have been me." Like, "Okay, oh gosh, what do I do?" And so I think there is an element of control there for sure.


0:47:49.5 S?: Yeah.


0:47:50.0 S23: You guys ever get to the end of your day and wonder what the closest was that you came to dying during your day? [laughter]


0:47:58.8 S4: Well no, but now I'm going to. Thanks, Rowan. [laughter]


0:48:02.5 S5: Yes, I have had those days, Actually, Rowan, I have a... We haven't even gotten to the recommendations yet, but I have one for you because somebody... I saw an ad for a serial killer adult coloring book, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, I should totally get this for Rowan, this is so cool" [laughter] and it's like the most morbid, gleeful thing that I've ever seen.


0:48:22.0 S3: Sometimes you just wanna chill out and let go of the day by coloring in some serial killers.


0:48:27.4 S?: Yeah.


0:48:27.8 S2: Some Ted Bundy.


0:48:29.3 S5: Yikes. [laughter]


0:48:30.0 S2: Oh my goodness. Well, I took a... In college... Sorry, this conversation has gone so many different places.


0:48:37.2 S?: That's what happens.


0:48:38.0 S2: But in college, I took a... I was a Psych minor, shocker, and... Every girl who's messed up in the head is either a Psych minor or major. [laughter] That's just a guarantee. [laughter] Sorry, then you're the exception that proves the rule. So I took a serial killers' class and it was one of the twice a week one, so it was an hour and a half. And it was at night.


0:49:01.4 S5: How To Be A Serial Killer 101? What was this?


0:49:04.8 S2: It was actually really interesting. We read this one book that messed me up in the head so hard, and it wasn't even about a serial killer, it was called 'Resilience', and it was about a... It was actually about split personality, I don't remember what they technically call that now... Sorry, it's been a really long time since I was in college. But anyways, so the class ended at 10:30 at night and I had an overnight shift. I was a CSA during college, so I worked as overnight shift at homes for folks with mental handicaps, mentally handicapped adults that were in independent living situations. So I went straight from that class to my overnight shift at this farm house on the edge of this little teeny tiny Missouri town. I had never any problems staying awake on Tuesdays and Thursday nights for that shift, ever. So yeah, it was really fun.


0:50:03.3 S3: What I really don't understand is what professor agreed to teach a class from 8:30 to 10:30 PM?


0:50:11.9 S2: This one. And there's probably a reason. [laughter] No, actually he was great, he was great. But it was a very fascinating class. It was really, really super interesting. Yeah, no, I'll never forget it, and I forgot most of... I've tried to block out everything except for Biology that I took three times, so yeah. [laughter]


0:50:36.0 S4: I love classes like that, that really stick with you.


0:50:38.5 S?: Oh god.


0:50:38.8 S4: Those are the best.


0:50:39.7 S?: Yeah.


0:50:40.5 S2: They really are.


0:50:41.3 S5: Especially when they have nothing to do with your major.


0:50:43.3 S4: Exactly.


0:50:44.7 S5: You just take some elective and you're like, 'That's the one!'


0:50:47.2 S2: That's the one I remember all the weird facts from.


0:50:49.7 S?: Yeah.


0:50:50.4 S2: Either that or it was the class that you had with the teacher that slept with everybody.


0:50:53.9 S?: Yeah.


0:50:54.3 S2: So yeah.


0:50:56.3 S4: I didn't have that class, at least that I know of.


0:51:00.7 S5: That's a whole different episode. We can...


0:51:02.3 S2: That's like Boundary problems.


0:51:04.3 S5: Teacher-student boundaries.


0:51:06.8 S?: Yikes.


0:51:08.3 S2: Alright, well, Kelly, we have loved having you on. Y'all, Kelly Reynolds is with Boobies and Noobies podcast. You should definitely give it a listen. Kelly, please tell everybody where they can find you and follow you and do all of the friendly non-serial-killery, stalky things.


0:51:31.7 S5: I just wanted to say it.


0:51:32.8 S5: Boobies and Noobies.


0:51:34.3 S2: Yeah, give it a whirl, just right off the tongue.


0:51:38.2 S5: Great mouth feel.


0:51:41.3 S2: Oh my god. [laughter] You guys, 12-year-old sense of humour, stop talking about tongues and mouth feel.


0:51:45.5 S4: Who knew, first thing in the morning too, that this is where our brain would be at, but...


0:51:49.9 S5: Yeah.


0:51:50.8 S4:, you can listen to all the past episodes there, I put all of our show notes there, we're streaming on wherever you listen to podcasts, and I'm on social media @boobiespodcast. So that's where you can find me and come chat with me and listen to all the goods, so... Thank you.


0:52:15.0 S5: Awesome.


0:52:16.2 S2: Thank you so much for being on. We loved, absolutely loved having you and I will give a shout out because both of us are part of... Well, all of us are part of the Frolic Podcast Network.


0:52:29.0 S4: Hurray!


0:52:29.5 S2: So we are like podcast siblings.


0:52:32.3 S4: Yes.


0:52:32.4 S2: So, for me, we cannot get married. [laughter]


0:52:34.3 S2: Rowan's making... I don't even know how to describe it, like kissing finger motions.


0:52:40.7 S5: Come-together-finger movements. [laughter]


0:52:42.9 S2: Oh my god, y'all, we will be right back...


0:52:46.0 S5: This is like a late night podcast first thing in the morning. [laughter]


0:52:53.2 S2: We will be right back with our Spotify playlists, our recipes, our recommendations for the week, so thank you guys so much, we will be right back. Thank you, Kelly, for coming.


0:53:03.3 S3: Thanks, Kelly.


0:53:05.5 S4: Thank you.


0:53:07.8 S5: Cool, so we're gonna talk music for a second, and this week's playlist is just kind of all over the place, but we were talking a lot about mothers and mothers' love and mothers' acceptance and mommy issues. So I have some stuff from the cinematic orchestra, I've got Peter Gabriel, Fink, SYML and Beck. But yeah, I think I hit the nail on the head with this one, so let me know what you think in the comments.


0:53:37.0 S3: Yay.


0:53:39.0 S5: Yay. [laughter]


0:53:40.5 S3: So this week's recipe is not actually inspired by our letters, but is inspired by a Twitter exchange that I had with fellow romance writer Kelly Jensen, who mentioned making focaccia. I've never made focaccia, but I really do enjoy eating it and a couple weeks ago so...


0:53:57.9 S5: Yes, yes.


0:53:58.5 S3: Right? [laughter]


0:53:58.9 S3: A couple of weeks ago, I had this... Okay, at the beginning of the pandemic, remember when there was the time when we were just ordering large cans of food, 'cause we didn't know what was gonna be happening? I ended up with a large can of beets, like a tin of beets the size of a head, and once you open something like that, you gotta use it up pretty quickly, and so I was putting beets in everything. And I like beets a lot, so I wasn't sad about that, but I saw this recipe for a beet focaccia where you use the beet juice and it tints it this beautiful pink.


0:54:31.3 S3: So I decided that I would make it. The dough looks beautiful, but it was one of those rise-it-at-night, overnight, the word that the kids used to describe that period of time and take it out the next morning, so I took mine out the next morning and the dough had not risen and it did not look good, and I baked it anyway and it didn't rise. It was garbage. It was pink, which was nice, but it was terrible, so I was really not pleased, especially 'cause I had deeply wanted to eat beet focaccia.


0:55:03.2 S3: So when I... When Kelly said something about making focaccia on Twitter yesterday, I was like, "Oh, so please send me your recipe because I really wanna try this." So she sent me a recipe and I made it immediately, and it's delicious and it rose and it's not pink, but I feel like I could put beet juice in it and it would be fine, so it's my first ever foray into focaccia and has really erased the beet mishap of 2021, but it's a great plain-based dough, and so what I will now do, now that I know it works, is of course add in all the flavoring...


0:55:37.1 S2: Oh yeah. All the good stuff.


0:55:38.8 S3: My front garden is exploding right now because of all the rain we've been having, so I wanna make some mixed herb... Do different ones with different herbs, and also there's this trend on Instagram that you've probably seen of people doing focaccia painting, where it's like you have the focaccia as your canvas and then you cut vegetables...


0:55:56.5 S5: I have not!


0:55:57.1 S3: Into little pieces and...


0:55:58.5 S5: Oh, that is so you.


0:56:00.4 S3: You can put flowers or...


0:56:00.8 S2: Wow, I love this. Yeah, my Instagram's all books and dogs.


0:56:08.4 S3: But it looks very '70s wallpaper.


0:56:11.9 S2: Oh, cool.


0:56:13.3 S2: Oh, I love that.


0:56:14.4 S3: But I totally wanna make one and I have this fantasy that maybe I could make a book cover focaccia.


0:56:18.9 S2: I bet you could.


0:56:20.0 S5: If it turns out like your cakes...


0:56:22.6 S2: Yeah, no kidding, and the cookies and stuff. Yeah, I have belief, I believe in you.


0:56:28.3 S3: Thank you, Kelly Jensen, for the base recipe, I will post it and as I try new variations, I'll post pictures.


0:56:35.4 S5: Didn't you get a huge bag of flour? I remember something about you ordering what you thought was a smaller bag of flour, and it was really a big bag of flour.


0:56:43.6 S3: Oh, I knew how much flour I was ordering. [laughter] I just thought that it would last me through the whole pandemic, and then a month later the 25 pounds were gone. More recently, though, my sister and I split a bulk grocery order from some farm that she found that did things like this.


0:57:02.3 S5: Yeah, yeah.


0:57:03.3 S3: And it wasn't a very official thing, it was just, 'Place your order here', and so I asked for another 25-pound bag of all-purpose flour, and my sister was doing the order, and I don't know if she put it in wrong or if the people read it wrong, but what came was the bag of whole wheat bread flour, 25 pounds, which... I like whole wheat all purpose flour, I like bread flour... Whole wheat bread, that's a particular thing.


0:57:30.7 S2: That is a specific.


0:57:32.0 S3: So that's what I've been using for a while, and it actually has turned out great, so...


0:57:36.3 S5: Yeah.


0:57:36.3 S5: Cool.


0:57:37.2 S3: It's really whole wheat bread flour. [laughter]


0:57:41.3 S2: So you're just having healthy flour. Healthy flour. Sure. Sure!


0:57:47.4 S2: Well, I am not a baker [laughter], as we all know, so we are moving on to recommendation side of things, and I have a new addiction and so I am sharing that with y'all for anybody else who does not have the... High-end coordination... [laughter].. The eye-hand coordination or the ability to not stab themselves in the eyeballs when they do fake eyelashes, but wants fake eyelashes... I moved from doing the metallic ones, the magnetic ones, to the Lashify thing, where you actually are putting them on your lashes and they are individual sets. And they are more expensive, I'm not gonna lie, but they also... I put them on on a Monday and they last until Saturday, and that's because I take 'em off and then just let my eyelashes have Sunday. Everybody deserves a day rest. [laughter]


0:58:51.3 S2: I don't know...


0:58:51.7 S2: I don't think you technically have to... I'm just weird. But it took a couple of tries to figure out what sort of system to do, and there are a million YouTube videos of people showing you exactly how to put these on in different techniques, but if you like fake eyelashes, then this is for you. It's pretty awesome. They have... You could just buy a certain kind or you can do a little subscription box of them. Again, another problem of mine. So this crossed so many little boundaries for me...


0:59:29.5 S5: They're like, 'What can we make that Avery will buy?'


0:59:32.2 S2: Oh my God, put it in the box and mail it to me. [laughter] I'm like a... I am like an eight-year-old when it comes to mail. I know when the mail truck is here before the dogs do. It's not a lie. [laughter]


0:59:44.4 S3: Can I ask a follow-up question about the eyelashes? Not about you, being... The dogs...


0:59:50.7 S3: Can you put make up on while you're wearing them and wash it off and still use them?


0:59:58.5 S2: So here's the thing. I will tell you, I am also a lover of eyeliner, my eyeliner usage has gone down significantly because of that, but it also... The eyelashes, like I'm wearing them right now for those of you who are watching, these are the super short ones...


1:00:15.1 S5: Now I'm looking like...


1:00:17.6 S2: There you go. These are the really short ones. But I think that they do such a good job of defining, and because they're so much thicker and darker that I don't use as much of the eye liner, but you can still do it. The big thing with washing your face at night is to use more of like a make-up eraser, then to splash your face with water and go like that. One of the good side benefits, and oh, by the way, I wear contacts, and they have not caused problems with that. So that's a big thing. But I also touch my eyes constantly, so they have actually made me more conscious of that, so I don't do it as often. So there's... My ophthalmologist is gonna be thrilled. But yeah, so they are... I don't know, I really like it. If you are a fake eyelashes person, this is really good, and they've got several different kinds you can do.


1:01:15.9 S3: I'm super curious, I've never worn fake lashes in my life, but I've always been really curious about them, and now that I've learned that it's actually a benefit to not washing your face... Like not washing your face with water is a benefit. It's like you've given me something to justify not washing my face.


1:01:33.8 S2: Well, no, you should still wash your face. Healthy skin is important, honey, you just don't use harsh chemicals and you get your little make-up eraser cloth wet, and then you do that. But yeah, so that has been my new...


1:01:50.4 S5: You burst her bubble.


1:01:52.2 S2: Yeah, sorry. Wash your face. But I won't say, girl wash your face. I'll just say, wash your face. There you go. Alright, so that's mine. What are you guys recommending this week? Not eyelashes...


1:02:07.0 S5: No. I just started... I haven't obviously, I haven't had a lot of time to read lately. But I just started Honey Girl from Morgan Rogers.


1:02:17.0 S2: That cover, it's so pretty.


1:02:18.5 S5: It's so pretty and this is her debut, which again, I hate her because it's so good so far. People with these debut novels that are just like, knocking it out of the park the first time, and I'm like, really? But no, it's really good. It actually reminds me a little bit, the premise is one of my favorite tropes, they wake up married in Vegas trope. I love when it can be twisted around. It reminds me a little bit of Sweet Filthy Boy from Christina Lauren. I'm not that far into it, so... But it's getting great reviews and she's just so... I follow her on Twitter and she's got such a great personality and it shows in her writing. So yeah, Honey Girl by Morgan Rogers. I'll follow up and let you know, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna love it because it's so far, really good.


1:03:06.1 S2: Yay.


1:03:07.6 S3: My rec this week, I was just thinking back to make sure that I haven't actually recommended it already, and I think I've just talked about it. Is the podcast, Why Are Dads, do either of you listen to this?


1:03:21.2 S2: No.


1:03:21.7 S3: Okay, the podcast, You're Wrong About, is one of my favorite podcasts, and it is exactly what it sounds like, which is two super smart people taking you through well-known events in history or culture and debunking all the things that the official story has wrong. So one of the podcasters, named Sarah, is just delightful, like the most delightful person. Why Are Dads, is her spin... Or not spin-off, but another podcast of hers. So it's two podcasters who both love movies and both have difficult relationships with their fathers. Talking about dad-ness, basically like cultural and social and familial constructions of dad-ness, and the way that different popular movies demonstrate different kinds of dads.


1:04:21.5 S3: And so it's called, Why Are Dads, for that reason, but it's really like a movie analysis podcast. Both Sarah and Alex, the other podcaster, are super smart in talking about movies, and they have great guests on who they'll have pick a movie. So they just had someone on, in the most recent episode, who has a book coming out, I think called, We're Not Broken, about folks with autism, and he himself has autism and is like a rights advocate. And they did Rain Man, and it was a really, really interesting... That's just the most recent one. But it was a really interesting breakdown of cultural conversations around parenthood and autism in the movie, the idea of a father and the father in your family, or what is the father of the state like when you go into an assisted living facility, etcetera. And what autism itself reveals about cultural constructions of dad-ness. And although I'm making it sound very serious, especially Sarah Marshall is fucking hysterical. She's so funny, and the podcast is, by turns very smart, very poignant and very, very funny.


1:05:39.5 S2: I like that.


1:05:40.4 S5: We have to check it out.


1:05:41.8 S2: Yeah, awesome.


1:05:43.5 S5: Excellent.


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